“Can The Blind Lead The Blind?”

Rev. Jeremy Walker

Matthew 23:24-28
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

1 John 2:21-26
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1 John 4:1-6
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Transcript:

Jeremy Walker: 00:00 Welcome back to another episode of the Preschool Pioneers Podcast. I am your host, Reverend Jeremy Walker, and we’re glad to have you with us today as we’re going to be discussing this episode, which is entitled, Can The Blind Lead The Blind.

Jeremy Walker: 00:16 This is from a verse, of course, in Luke 6:39, and the verse reads, quote, “And he spake a parable unto them, ‘Can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall in the ditch?'” Unquote.

Jeremy Walker: 00:31 Well this episode of the Preschool Pioneers Podcast, we’re going to be discussing more about why Christians should become teachers. And in this case, we’re going to be focusing on this verse and the concept of can the blind lead the blind. We’re going to be going over lots of stuff, but to get started, we want to remind our listeners that this episode, and Preschool Pioneers Podcast in general can be found on our website at CR101Radio.com, and is brought to you by the GCS Apprenticeship program. It is a program which seeks to find young men and women that wish to learn how to become successful Christian schoolteachers or how to own and operate their very own Christian school, and to give them the tools to do that. For more information, you can visit the website GCSApprenticeship.com.

Jeremy Walker: 01:20 Well to begin with, this is a very well known kind of a saying, very well known verse in the Bible. Jesus, of course, is encountering the pharisees again, which he did many, many times throughout the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. And it’s very, very popular, but I don’t think people have taken this and applied it to the concept of education. One of the main problems that people have, parents and Christians in general, the church members, is that they separate these various areas, and so like some areas are having to do with Christianity and God, and for some reason, there’s other areas in life that don’t have to do with those types of things.

Jeremy Walker: 02:09 What I mean is is that the biggest divisions are between the church and the school. When I was growing up, it was very clear that when you went to church, church was very important. What the pastors were teaching was very important. You had if the church found out that the pastor was not teaching good doctrine, they’d get rid of that pastor and get themselves a new one. Or if the youth pastor was having problems, you’d get rid of the youth pastor and get yourself a new youth pastor, change churches, or whatever other thing in between, because the churches had to teach what the Bible taught. The people that were in charge had to teach what the Bible taught. If they didn’t, then either you got rid of the people who were teaching falsely, or you went to some other church that was.

Jeremy Walker: 02:56 These were the kind of ideas. But when I was growing up in my small town, everybody went to the same school. But it wasn’t a Christian school, it wasn’t a school at all that was led by a church or remotely influenced by Christian doctrine. It was just a public school, and everybody went there. Now on Sundays, we all went to our own individual little place. It didn’t matter if you were Baptist, if you were Pentecostal, if you were a Catholic. It didn’t matter which faith you had or which church you went to on Sunday or Wednesday, or revival nights. But on Monday through Friday, every child went to the same school. There were a few, of course, private schools in the area and things like that, but the overwhelming majority of children all went to the same public school.

Jeremy Walker: 03:48 Now the parents did not have the same expectations of the government school as they did their own personal church. And that was where the problems came in. And I’m not sure if people still understand, there is no area, no area at all, where Christianity isn’t supposed to be the foundational bedrock of that area. It doesn’t matter if it’s you personally, it doesn’t matter if it’s your family, it doesn’t matter if it’s your business, it doesn’t matter if it’s your church, it doesn’t matter if it’s your school, your community, or even your nation. There is not a single area anywhere on the planet that can be considered to be outside of God’s jurisdiction, or outside of having to be under the requirement of in compliance with the word of God and underneath His authority.

Jeremy Walker: 04:46 So can the blind lead the blind is a very important question, because Jesus says, “Shall they not both fall in the ditch?” But what is a blind person? What does it mean to be blind? If we’re discussing the concept of education, in Preschool Pioneers that’s our focus. Our main goals here are to present in these types of podcasts the purpose of why Christians should become teachers. And this is one of them, because can the blind lead the blind? No, they can’t. They’re both going to fall in the ditch. You have to have a person, an educator who knows something, who can then guide somebody.

Jeremy Walker: 05:28 There’s other verses in the Bible where God calls people who are leaders blind guides in this exact same type of scenario. So educators, parents, teachers, they are guiding people. They are educators. They are teaching students something, whether it’s their children or just their students in general. But they have to be going in a certain direction. I like the term child rearing, because that’s what you’re doing. In the concept of education, you are literally instilling into somebody knowledge of how to operate in the world successfully, be it morally, or of course academically or business skills. But you’re trying to create a person. You’re trying to give them or instill in them the morals and the skills they need in order to succeed. And that’s what education is really all about. It’s about creating this person and how you want the finished product to look like.

Jeremy Walker: 06:36 Well, Jesus talked a lot in this, it wasn’t just in this one verse in Luke six. The entire chapter of Luke six starts with Jesus being confronted by the pharisees as he was all throughout the gospels. He was being attacked by them. This of course comes up because they were claiming to be leaders, they were claiming to be teachers. And he of course is calling them blind or blind guides. He says it repeatedly.

Jeremy Walker: 07:03 I want to read another passage that goes along with this concept, because I think it’s very important when we’re talking about people and how Jesus approached them, the teachers themselves, and then I want to compare that to what we’re having today. And I think there’s a stark problem that I hope this is going to pinpoint for us.

Jeremy Walker: 07:23 I’d like to start in Matthew 23:24-28. Quote, “Ye blind guides would strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Whoa unto you scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, for you make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within, they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind pharisees, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Whoa unto you scribes and pharisees, hypocrites. For you are like unto whited sepulchers which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within fool of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanliness. Even so, you also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity,” unquote.

Jeremy Walker: 08:21 Jesus didn’t mince words with the pharisees and the scribes in these passages here in Matthew, nor when he was dealing with these people all throughout the gospels. But the difference is, why was he so harsh? And it’s very simple. If you go back to Luke six right at the beginning, I won’t go over all of it, it talks about how they were actually teaching many, many good things that were biblical, that were sound. The problem was isn’t that they weren’t teaching God’s law, the problem was they were adding to it, adding to it. They were either making it more complicated or only focusing on things that weren’t overly important and missing the entire general gist of God’s commandments in all.

Jeremy Walker: 09:08 And you can go back through the gospels and read that for yourself, specifically in Luke six. But Jesus was dealing with people who claimed to be Christians, they claimed to be God’s people, they claimed to hold to the Bible, they claimed to be teaching the word of God, and in many cases, they really were. Now, you take that concept there of these people are teachers, parents are having their kids sit and listen to these scribes and these pharisees, they themselves are listening to these people, they’re hoping to be taught God’s word from these people, the truth. In other words, these are the teachers, these are the educators.

Jeremy Walker: 09:52 Now you contrast that with what we’re having today where you have church people, people that claim to be Christian, and they’re not even giving their children to other fellow Christians, or at least professing Christians to be taught by. They are giving their children to institutions or the government school system, which is purposefully and openly anti-God. It isn’t even a second guess. It’s openly clear that it’s hostile to the Bible. Every single person in America today knows it is a fact.

Jeremy Walker: 10:29 So, when Jesus was so harsh on these scribes and pharisees, it doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of how even unthinkable it was not to just have people who claim to be Christians teaching false doctrines, but to be trying to learn from people in institutions that were openly anti-God, openly going to teach against God and His scriptures. Just the sheer concept didn’t even fit into the Christian world. But for us today, that’s the norm. Everybody thinks of education and they think, well, government education. If you even mention the concept that there’s a problem, basically you’ll go to war with people. And these are supposedly Christians.

Jeremy Walker: 11:21 But Jesus here was overly harsh on people who profess to know God. But he says, “You’re just a whitewashed sepulcher. You have dead man’s bones inside. You’re hypocrites.” But you have a governmental school system, which isn’t even attempting to be a whitewashed tomb. They’re not even attempting to say that they are God’s people. They’re just openly saying we are anti-God. We’re not even trying to cover up the fact that we’re dead inside. We’re not trying to cover up the fact that we stink, the fact that we are going to teach about death. They don’t even cover it up. We’re purposefully going to openly tell you. But nobody cares. Nobody seems to care at all that this is happening.

Jeremy Walker: 12:08 Now, you go to church on Sunday, oh you better believe it, they’re going to be listening to this type of stuff, and oh Jesus had it right, those scribes and those pharisees were horrible people. But then they’re going to take their kids and ship them off to government schools which aren’t even trying to have a veneer of Christianity, just openly anti-Christian.

Jeremy Walker: 12:28 Now, let’s go over a few more things, because I don’t know if people have even stopped and thought about this concept. Because Jesus was saying these people were blind guides, the people who were having the veneer. But you have people who are openly saying, “Yeah, we are blind. We are blind. Please bring us your kids, and yup, that’s right, we’re not even trying to hide the fact that we aren’t telling the truth. We’re not even going to try to hide the fact that we act like we can see.”

Jeremy Walker: 12:56 The pharisees and scribes claimed to be teachers of God and weren’t. It took Jesus to say, “You’re blind guides.” The governmental school system and people who are non Christian who are educators are openly not even attempting to say, “We can see.” They’re openly saying, “We are completely blind, we cannot see, but please put us in the driver’s seat.” What do we expect to happen except catastrophe? But no, no, we’re just going to ignore it. Parents are going to bring their kids to governmental schools and hand them over to people who don’t even have a veneer of Christian morality or ethics. Not even a veneer.

Jeremy Walker: 13:38 I’d like to read a few things here as we’re going to continue on this episode, but I hope the listener is getting some form of idea about why Christians need to become teachers. Mostly not only that, not just to help the community, but they don’t even see that this is a problem, and they need to.

Jeremy Walker: 14:01 I’d like to jump to something else in 1 John, a couple different passages which I think are very interesting. I’d like to share those with you. 1 John 2:21-26. Quote, “I have not written unto you because you know not the truth, but because you know it and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ. He is anti-Christ that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, you also shall continue in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He hath promised us, even eternal life. These things I have written unto you concerning them that seduce you.” Unquote.

Jeremy Walker: 15:05 John in 1 John here is writing to Christians because he knows that people are already starting, even in the very beginning of the church, already starting to come in and, at the end here, seduce them, trying to teach them false doctrines. Now, these are people, let’s go back to what it is, claiming to be Christian. They are claiming to have faith in God, but they are, in this case, denying that Jesus is the Christ. And he is saying here, don’t let people teach you this stuff. If you lie, then you don’t have the truth.

Jeremy Walker: 15:41 They are purposefully trying to seduce you, think Garden of Eden, the original seduction. The serpent comes in and seduces Eve with the idea that you can determine truth for yourself. See, I’m not sure if … I hope the listener is paying attention to this, because the church will take this and apply it to what they call the realm of church. So therefore, they’re very careful about this concept, very careful about pastors and youth pastors and elders and deacons and the doctrines that they have and the little churches that they have and the little denominations that they have. But what about the school? You’re taking a school who is purposefully saying, not only are we not teaching about Jesus Christ, you can’t even mention his name in our institutions. We are teaching your kids that there is no God. There is no Father, there is no Son, there is no Holy Ghost, because there is no creation. There is no moral law that comes from God at all.

Jeremy Walker: 16:50 They’re not saying that they’re even attempting to lie to you, they’re just saying openly, we are not going to teach that. We are openly anti-Christ. There is no eternal life from the governmental school system. Here 1 John says, “God’s promised this to us, eternal life.” The governmental school system is saying there is no eternal life. You are a cosmic accident. There is no God, there’s no such thing as Jesus Christ, and there is no life after death.

Jeremy Walker: 17:24 See, the people that were coming into the church had to at least appeal to the Christians as if they were Christians, to attempt to seduce them away from Christ, from God, from the truth. The educational facilities we have now aren’t even attempting to do that, they’re just openly saying, “Nope, none of that’s true. We don’t teach it. We’re openly going to teach against it entirely, completely, and we want you to know that.” And Christians are saying, “Huh, sure. I don’t see a problem here. Let’s send our kids to these people, because after all, they’re not the church. They’re not supposed to be teaching the truth, so it’s okay if for five days a week, they’re taught every doctrine against God. But it’s really important where we take our kids on Sunday.”

Jeremy Walker: 18:22 This is why Christians need to become teachers. This is why they need to form schools. If this is true, if there is a God, if it is true that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, if it is true that there is eternal life, then it is not an option for Christians to not only be seduced by lies, but to embrace them, to hand their children deliberately to people who they know are teaching openly against everything that they’re saying in the entire Bible is important.

Jeremy Walker: 19:06 I’d like to go over another verse, also in 1 John, which I think is important. It’s 1 John four, it’s going to be verses … it looks like here one through six. And we’re going to be quoting again.

Jeremy Walker: 19:23 Quote, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets are gone out into the world, hereby know ye the spirit of God. Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is that spirit of anti-Christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world. But ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because greater is in you than is he that is in the world. They are of the world, therefore speak they of the world and the world heareth them. But we are of God. He that knoweth God heareth us. He that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.” Unquote.

Jeremy Walker: 20:24 Once again, people love these types of verses. They’ll apply it 100% to the church, they’ll apply it to their pastors, they’ll apply it to any type of person who’s trying to teach them what they consider to be church doctrine. But where it comes to education, not important. Not important at all. They do not confess Christ, they do not teach that God has come in the flesh, they don’t teach there is a God, they don’t teach anything that is being taught here. It is openly anti-Christ and openly spirit of error, as being taught here.

Jeremy Walker: 21:02 They are openly false prophets, false teachers. They don’t know the truth, they don’t teach the truth, they are only speaking of the world. Now the interesting thing about this as well, it does tie into Christian education completely, but it says that we are of God, and he that knoweth God heareth us, and he that is not of God, heareth not us.

Jeremy Walker: 21:28 This is an interesting aspect because Christian teachers, you have a school, you are teaching students, you’re teaching your children. If a person, if a student or a child is of God, they are going to hear this, they are going to believe it. If they’re not, they’re not going to believe it. Now it goes into a lot of the doctrines here, but getting down to the basics of what we’re talking about right now, it means this. Those people who are openly teaching error, openly have the spirit of the anti-Christ. Again, that means against Christ. These people are open about it. They are not trying to whitewash themselves in educational fields. They are purposely deliberately telling you who they are and what they do.

Jeremy Walker: 22:16 And for some reason, nobody seems to have a problem with this. They don’t have a problem with the original verse as we said, can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall in the ditch? And this was when Jesus was referring to people who were claiming to be Christians, but teaching false doctrines.

Jeremy Walker: 22:38 How much more does this apply to people who are deliberately saying we are against everything that your faith stands for. We are against everything that your holy book has to say. We disagree with everything that comes out of the mouth of God. We disagree with every word that proceeds out of his mouth.

Jeremy Walker: 23:05 We should stop, if you’re a parent, if you’re a teacher, and that should give you pause. People work in government institutions, they send their kids there. It’s been promoted for a very long time that Christians should work in the public school system. Well let me ask you a question. Do you believe that? Can you teach the Bible to your students as true? Can you teach Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the only way of salvation? Can you teach the commandments to your students as the way to live? Or do you have to be silent?

Jeremy Walker: 23:46 See, having a private faith and being a teacher that is a Christian is not the same as being a Christian teacher. A Christian teacher actually teaches true Christian doctrines. Otherwise, you are a false teacher. See, Jesus wasn’t saying that false teachers are not professing Christians, or not professing that they don’t believe in God. The false teacher very often is whitewashed. They walk in, they say, “Well, I’m a Christian. I’m a person who believes in God. I’m a person who goes to church.” But whenever they step into a classroom, they are not teaching the word of God, they are not teaching the things they should. Therefore, they fall under the category of the scribes and the pharisees that Jesus was talking about. These people who are whitewashed, claiming to be Christians, but actually not teaching Godly doctrines.

Jeremy Walker: 24:46 And in a lot of cases, it’s because the government school system, who these Christians are trying to work in, is forbidding them from ever teaching the truth. It’s on institutional level, they cannot do it. So, should Christians enter into a system where they can’t actually teach the truth? No, they shouldn’t. Why not go and work at a Christian school? Why not start your own school? Because if the truth is something that you’re actually concerned about, then you can’t teach it there. It’s deliberate, it’s open. They don’t even hide it.

Jeremy Walker: 25:27 If you’re concerned about your child having your faith, sharing your faith, being taught your faith, if you’re concerned about them actually understanding good doctrine, why would you ever send them to a place that you know they’re not going to get? You know for five days a week, they’re going to be taught contrary to your faith, contrary to sound doctrine, against everything the Bible stands for.

Jeremy Walker: 25:59 You literally are openly, purposefully and deliberately giving your child to somebody who is openly telling you that they’re blind. They are openly telling you that they are going to be catastrophic to your child. You’re sending them deliberately to go into the ditch. You are putting them into the vehicle with somebody behind the wheel who cannot drive, cannot see, doesn’t know which direction to go into, and you’re saying, “Have a good day.”

Jeremy Walker: 26:34 No, that’s not okay. It’s not okay for Christians to do this. Christians need to give their children a Christian education. And not just their children, but Christians should be attempting to, this was what the great commission is all about, they should be going out there, trying to teach and disciple others. That’s what the great commission is about. It’s educational. We go out there, we teach the truth. We have to contend for the truth to try to reach and help as many people as we can, share the gospel, and then those people who make professions of faith, who claim to be Christians, we then teach them how to live. That’s where the commandments come in. The commandments first lead us to Christ, and then the commandments will help us to walk with Christ. That’s its purpose.

Jeremy Walker: 27:28 And so it takes Christians to do that. But you can’t send your children to government schools who are openly purposefully going to lie to them. They’re not even attempting to seduce them. It’s just deliberate. We’re just not going to teach you that. We’re going to teach you completely contrary to that. You can’t go work in those institutions because you cannot actually teach the truth. It’s forbidden. I don’t even have to even argue for it. Every single person, if they’ve been paying attention for the last 20 years, knows within the government institutions, that is not allowable. Period. Paragraph.

Jeremy Walker: 28:08 This is why Christians need to become teachers, because we need people who are not blind guides. We need people who are not going to lead people into the ditch. First it starts with you as a person. You can’t give your children to people who are going to harm them and teach them lies. You cannot then, if you’re a Christian teacher, you can’t go and then refrain to teach the truth. You can’t do that. Not without getting in trouble yourself.

Jeremy Walker: 28:39 So I could go through more, I could sit down and explain everything about what God teaches versus what lies are being told, like how in the Bible there is a God. Government education, no God. In the Bible, God created all things in six days. Government education, everything’s an accident, cosmic accident, everything takes billions of years and of course it’s still happening today. Completely contradictory. I could go through how God created man male and female, gave them authority over creation, and of course we’re uniquely created in the image of God, where the humanistic governmental education says, “Mankind is just some kind of divergently evolved animal that developed without any purpose and is really of no greater importance than any other creature in the world.”

Jeremy Walker: 29:33 We could go through how we explain how that man is going to answer for how he lives in this life, and that happens after his death. He’s going to answer to God now where God is actively operating in this world, rewarding, punishing people right now, and of course man is going to have to answer for all of his deeds after he dies. Now, governmental education says that man’s existence is without purpose. And his death? Well, it also has no purpose. It’s kind of going from nothing to nothing.

Jeremy Walker: 30:08 We could continue doing that all day long, just showing the complete contradiction between these things. You have a complete antithesis. You have God’s commandments on the left, humanism on the right, and everything all the way down the line, all the doctrines are going to be against and contrary to each other.

Jeremy Walker: 30:29 So why should Christians become teachers? Simple. Your children actually need parents who are going to live their faith. That also means what they’re going to teach their children and what they’re going to allow other people to teach their children. The world needs Christian teachers because that is the light that sit on the hill. It’s the light on the candlestick. You don’t put it under a bushel, but you give light to all that are in the house, because Christians, their doctrines, how they live, their actions is the light to the world.

Jeremy Walker: 31:10 But right now, the light is completely all but extinguished. We’re giving our children over to people who are deliberately and purposely teaching against Christ, teaching the spirit of error openly. Christians are refusing to teach, refusing to do their obligations of the great commission. They think for some reason to go soul winning or to bring people into their churches and become good old church members who can sit in a pew is doing their job. No, it’s not. Because you’re sending your kids off to government school systems to be taught against that. So it doesn’t matter what you’re teaching in your churches, because you really don’t believe the things that you’re actually teaching.

Jeremy Walker: 31:51 Because if you were teaching those things, nobody would be sending them out there. You would be forming Christian schools. Christians would actually be entering into those vocations so that they could teach, because discipleship isn’t about soul winning, discipleship is how to live, how to … individual lives, how a family is supposed to function, how businesses are supposed to function, communities and nations. And that’s what Christians are supposed to be out there teaching. That’s why they need to become teachers.

Jeremy Walker: 32:24 The world is literally starving for the truth, and Christians will not get off their hands to do anything about it. Just, oh, everything’s okay. I go to church, I sit in my pew, I believe in Jesus. That’s not enough. That’s not enough.

Jeremy Walker: 32:48 So, hopefully I’ve discussed enough here to explain why Christians should become teachers, why it’s not okay to allow the blind to lead the blind, especially when we know that it’s being done on purpose. We can’t allow it. We need people that are going to lead and guide and give the light of the gospel, the light of God to a fallen and a very dark world. We need those people to do that.

Jeremy Walker: 33:19 It just so happens that not only do we promote this on Preschool Pioneers, we also elect to help. That of course is why we have our apprenticeship program, which of course you can find more information out at GCSApprenticeship.com. If you have heard this, and if you think you’re interested in this concept, would like to learn more about it, if you think that you would like to become a Christian schoolteacher but maybe you say, “I don’t know how to do that,” or, “I like the idea of having a Christian school, but I don’t know how to do that.” Well it just so happens that we can help you with that.

Jeremy Walker: 33:55 Not only do we have an apprenticeship program, we have operations manuals, we have entire curriculums, we have all kinds of things that can help you in so many variety of ways. You can find other information on our website, GCSApprenticeship.com. You can get in contact with us there as well. But we would help you any way we can to help you, if you’re interested, to give you the tools to make a difference.

Jeremy Walker: 34:19 So, thank you again for joining us for another episode of the Preschool Pioneers Podcast. This episode and more can be found on our website, at CR101radio.com. And as always, thank you and God bless.